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Coles, Woolies: are they ripping you off?

Hi. I've been getting Family First press releases for a while now, and it's interesting how often their views converge with The Greens and those in the National Party who aren't bought off by some deal with Howard. Indeed, FF seems to have decided not to vilify The Greens this time around, but to say the Parties have many things in common, except the you know what social issues of homosexuality and abortion.

I wrote my book Not Happy, John! in the belief that John Howard would win the election, to press the case that The Coalition should not control the Senate, as the only body left with  real power to review legislation and insist that the merits are argued out. Well, Australians did give the Coalition Senate control, and we've seen the results.

To me, how one votes in the Senate this time is absolutely crucial to our democracy's future. There's no chance Labor can get the numbers, so it's more of the same if the Coalition wins, a totally hostile Senate if Labor gets up, or a coalition of minor parties with the balance of power who can get some answers and make some changes if the big party in opposition is onside.

As you know, I'm a volunteer on The Greens' Kerrie Tucker's campaign to win an ACT Senate seat off the Libs. It's a hard ask, as there are only two seats in Canberra, which invariably go to Labor with a very big vote and the second to the Libs. You need 33 percent of the vote to get elected. If she did get up, the Libs, should they win again, would immediately lose their total power in the Senate, because unlike Senators voted in by the States, who have to wait until next July to take their seats, Territory Senators go in straight away. Thus, if the Libs win, the Senate vote would be tied if all the minors voted with Labor, so their legislation couldn't get up without a compromise.

I know it's a hopeless cause, but I reckon The Greens and FF would do well to consider giving preferences to each other before the old parties in some States or Territories at the Senate election. They won't vote together on the social issues, but would have much in common on other issues. There's nothing wrong with working with opposing groups on issues you agree on, and it's a real burden for minor parties to get hung out to dry on who they preference. FF is not a racist party, and went to the last election with policies to get kids out of detention and say sorry to indigenous Australians. We need more voices representing ordinary people who care in politics, to balance the career politicians caught up in the big party's machine and beholden to big business and their big donations.

Here's FF's latest press release, on a subject the Nats used to wax lyrical about and one The Greens are in agreement on. I'd be interested in your views about this matter.

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Australian families are being ripped off  as big business predators price independent supermarkets and petrol retailers out of the market.

 Coles and Woolworths have a thumping 80  per cent control of the grocery trade and also dominate the petrol market. It is no wonder these supermarket giants reaped profits last year of up to 5 percent, the highest in the world, according to analysis of 2006 annual reports.

 And it is no surprise food prices in  Australia are rising at double the inflation rate, making it even harder for struggling families to make ends meet.

 This huge market dominance is not seen  in other countries and we have to stand up to big businesses destroying smaller rivals.

FAMILY FIRST will protect small business by introducing legislation to ensure smaller operators are protected from predatory pricing, where powerful retailers drop their prices in one area to drive out competitors, before raising prices later on.

 It is a joke that small business has been waiting for protection for over three years, since the Senate Economics References Committee recommended action. We cannot undo the market domination but we can have laws that ensure genuine competition and the lowest possible prices.

FAMILY FIRST's legislation to amend the Trade Practices Act, which will be introduced on Monday, is similar to Canadian competition laws and outlaws predatory pricing which destroys competitors.

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Qantas admits it is "likely" it engaged in price fixing

QANTAS says it is "likely" it engaged in price-fixing of the type that saw British Airways fined a total of $640 million for anti-competitive behaviour in the US and Britain.

I was right yesterday, when I thought, Qantas might have been involved in price fixing. What penalty will be imposed on Qantas? Will the fuel surcharge be dropped? I don't think so.

British Airways fined $640 million for collusion.

British Airways (BA) has been fined a record $640 million for fixing ticket prices on flights between the UK and the USA.

British Airways and Virgin Atlantic colluded to increase the price of the fuel surcharge on trans-Atlantic flights over an 18-month period.

Last year Virgin blew the whistle on the scam and BA has now been fined $290 million by Britain's Office of Fair Trading and $350 million by the US Department of Justice.

It is the first time that the UK and the US have simultaneously brought action against a company.

Virgin has been given immunity and will not face any fines. British Airways has condemned the actions of its employees, and Virgin has also apologised.

Virgin blew the whistle on BA for collusion on the fuel surcharge. I wonder if similar deals have been done is Australia, between Qantas and Virgin. Would the Howard government give Virgin immunity if it admitted to the offence? 

Steve Fielding

Family First Senator Steve Fielding's maiden speech is on Webdiary here.

Family First on petrol prices

SF/162. Wednesday July 25, 2007

GOVERNMENT MUST CUT PETROL TAX TO HELP STRUGGLING FAMILIES


The Government must cut petrol tax to help families struggling to make ends meet with soaring petrol and food prices.

FAMILY FIRST leader Steve Fielding said cutting petrol tax also takes pressure off inflation which reduces the likelihood of another interest rate hike.

Consumer Price Index (CPI) figures for the June quarter 2007, released today, reveal the cost of petrol was up by more than nine per cent.

"The cost of fruit was up by over eight per cent, vegetables rose by more than six per cent and the cost of buying a house was up an extra one per cent," Senator Fielding said.

"Australian families are struggling to make ends meet yet the Government is ignoring their pain. It is economically irresponsible of the Government not to cut petrol tax. It risks another interest rate rise which would send many families over the edge.

"FAMILY FIRST wants a petrol tax cut of 10 cents a litre, which the Prime Minister has said would cost $2.8 billion. Cutting petrol tax takes pressure off inflation because when petrol prices come down, the price of goods and services falls as well, thereby reducing inflation. This also reduces the likelihood of another interest rate hike, which is the last thing families want."

FAMILY FIRST has action plans on petrol, groceries and housing: to cut petrol tax, stamp out predatory pricing and give special tax breaks to first homebuyers.

All the major parties are doing is talking about the problems. The Government and Labor have announced petrol inquiries, and Labor also wants an inquiry into grocery prices. On housing, Labor will host a summit! Only FAMILY FIRST has concrete action plans to help Australian families struggling to make ends meet.

FF running hard...

The latest Family First press release on grocery and fuel prices is Petrol, Groceries and Housing: families want action, not inquir

ALP will ask the ACCC to monitor grocery prices

The Labor push on groceries follows campaigns on a range of issues affecting the family budget, including the high cost of fuel and childcare.

The Opposition Leader will today promise that the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission will be given extra powers to monitor prices and publish regular surveys of grocery costs for a typical shopping basket, including staples such as biscuits, bread and milk.

A National Grocery Pricing Inquiry would report to the incoming Labor government within six months, after consultation with individuals, consumer groups, retailers and businesses along the supply chain.

"When families fill up their baskets and trolleys at the local supermarket, they should not have to worry if they are getting a raw deal by inflated grocery prices," Mr Rudd said last night.

Rudd is going to ask the ACCC to monitor grocery prices. This will send a shiver down the backs of Woolies and Coles. 

Monitoring

John Pratt, I wish Rudd would monitor the Iemma Labor government in NSW. Tonight we find out that a worker (and I use this term loosely) had not properly secured the bolts on a train, causing chaos in Sydney. The Transport Minister blamed it on high winds but an investigation shows that it was poor maintenance. I cannot wait to see what the union says about all this, as this is the 2nd. incident of negligence by workers working on the trains.

Richard::  Alan, have you written a piece for Webdiary yet?  

Monitoring

John Pratt, well I did not have to wait long to see what the unions had to say about the negligence of the workers. "The failing here... rests clearly with the management of RailCorp," Unions secretary John Robertson said. RTBU NSW secretary Nick Lewocki also said it is not the workers' fault. I ask these gentleman a simple question, the workers are paid to do maintenance and they are not doing it. They should be sacked and their names and photographs should be posted at every station. It's funny that during the last election campaign the unions did not inform the public that RailCorp and the Labor government were not doing the job.

Accc

John Pratt, it is my understanding that the prices are already monitored, it's just that Rudd cannot remember what the price of groceries was under the last Labor government. The only thing he has not promised is a new Holden for everybody.

The price of bread, so how about the butter

Well if they are Alan Curran that monitoring leaves a lot to be desired in my view. I am particuarly concerned at the way the big supermarkets rip off the farmers and then rip off the consumers.

Take the price of milk you pay for a litre of milk. They pay the farmers around 36 cents a litre and the costs of production far outweigh that. I know, for our family were dairy farmers for fifty years up to 1995. And it has been all down hill price wise since.  Costs of production rise steeply during floods and protracted droughts. And fodder costs have quadrupled in the current drought, but there has been very small price rises to farmers to compensate. It is not necessarily the fault of the dairy companies either. If they are squeezed by the supermarkets, they in turn will of course squeeze the farmer. The end result is that the number of dairy farmers is declining rapidly. The beef industry suffers similarly.

I suppose we can all learn to like that UHT stuff in our tea but quite frankly I find it revolting. And it won't be cheap if it has to come from NZ either. So a good Australian industry is in decline and not because it is innefficient either. But it does not matter how efficient you are if you are if pricing to the consumer is exploitative, for you will never come out on top.

 I say monitor the prices to the consumer and look closely at the profits the supermarkets are making at the expense of the farmer and that consumer. It would be interesting to know just what portion of their profits can be attributed to their fresh farm produce sales, as opposed to their imported Canadian tinned fish and the like.

What is the bet the locally purchased foodstuffs are a major component in that profit? Needs looking at closely, very closely. What is being done now is not enough. ABS statistics for heavens sake. Gathering statistics is just that, it is not a regulatory function. They may tell us what is happening, but not how and why and whether it is acceptable. That is the job of ACCC and it not doing enough in that regard, imho of course.

It has looked at the bread and found the big players wanting. Well now it needs to focus on the butter. And on the fruit basket, the veggie rack and that other place I never care to go, the meat keeper.

BTW I gather you have not gone offshore as yet?

The price of Coals Jihad, the price of Woollyworth fatwa

It would be a huge benefit if the duopoly emulated Superbarn, also http://www.supabarn.com.au. One notices that when one's there, one has a Ruddy good time with the checkout slip on the way out, man. But it could just be the feeling that one is not shelling out at one of the goliaths.

Frère Jihad Jacques OAM née Woodforde, eats groceries

DISCLOSURE: Family member(s) both work and shop at SuperBarn

A future without monopolies

David, I'm glad things are different in Aus, but here in Tas, Woolworth owns the wholesale warehouses that supplies IGA. They even deliver in woollies trucks at times. Tas is very different, as we don't have the volume to create proper competition. Woolworth / coles own the major liquor wholesalers, nearly all fuel outlets and control lots of other commodities. I'm not anti corporate, but anti cartel and corporate monopolisation. I am certainly anti globalisation and economic rationalism. I'm all for competition and definitely not a socialist, as it's a miserable failure. But I do believe in small business rather than big business. I want a new system that takes the best of the failed past and present, giving this country a positive future. By your own comments, the present system of open slather corporate dictatorship and lack of import controls, is driving us down the drain.

These monopolies have open slather on imports and are destroying our horticultural and other industries, driving us further into foreign and person unsustainable debt. I think history shows us that once entities get to a certain size of control and manipulation, they implode bringing everything down with them.

History shows past society collapses happen quickly, rather than over a time span favoured by the participants. I think we are facing those hurdles now.

Market correction we have to have

Yes, David, I'll bet Wal-Mart would set the cat among the pigeons here. This kind of thing will almost certainly open things up a bit:

... Human Rights Watch found that while many American companies use weak US laws to stop workers from organizing, the retail giant stands out for the sheer magnitude and aggressiveness of its anti-union apparatus. Many of its anti-union tactics are lawful in the United States, though they combine to undermine workers’ rights. Others run afoul of soft US laws. ...

Human Rights Watch’s investigation revealed that, in most cases, Wal-Mart begins to indoctrinate workers and managers to oppose unions from the moment they are hired. Managers receive explicit instructions on keeping out unions, many of which are found in the company’s “Manager’s Toolbox,” a self-described guide to managers on “how to remain union free in the event union organizers choose your facility as their next target.”

It's like Uncle Joe's wet-dream. Wal-Mart's culture is so in tune with that of the Howard Government, you've really got to wonder why the Government didn't lure them over here years ago. Then again, Coles/Woolies are a big part of the Government's core constituency, so Wal-Mart may have to wait for the 6th Howard Ministry.

IGA in Tasmania

Alga, I have done some research for you and have found out that indeed  IGA in Tasmania does not operate as it does on the mainland.  Are you sure they really get their products from Woolworth and Coles in Tasmania?  Sounds pretty weird to me.

On the mainland, IGA stores are independently owned and get their products from IGA Distribution which is part of the Metcash group.  Metcash is huge and turns over more than $7 billion a year. It is buying directly from manufacturers and is naturally a direct competitor to Coles and Woolworths.

If we are to have a viable grocery market in this country we need something like IGA / Metcash to continue to succeed. They and other competitors need to grow in scale so that we have a proper functioning of the market.

There are very few comparable countries that have such a concentrated retail market as Australia.  Switzerland has the same problem and it shows in the prices.  In Switzerland there is a grocery duopoly like Australia where retailers Coop and Migros.  Swiss grocery prices are 40% more than Germany. There is no excuse for this and it is all about Coop and Migros gouging Swiss consumers while Germans enjoy a competitive market.

Countries like Switzerland and Australia clearly have poorly developed laws in relation to internal cartels.  The solution in part would be to give more power to the ACCC.

Besides IGA, another force for change in the Australian market is the German owned Aldi stores. Aldi is a limited assortment concept but they do have 140 stores in Australia now and their prices are significantly lower than duopoly players, Woolworths and Coles.  Their products are their own brands and are mainly made here in Australia.

I recently read a book called the Wal-Mart Effect.  The tagline for this book is "how the world's most powerful company works and how it is transforming the American economy".  The Economist made the Wal-Mart Effect book of the year in 2006.

The retail grocery market in the US is fiercely competitive and Wal-Mart has delivered permanent, radically lower prices.  I don't really want to go into a debate on Wal-Mart as that is not the purpose of this thread.  I know the common criticisms of the world's largest retailer but one of them is never that their prices are too high.  The concern with Wal-Mart is how they treat their employees, suppliers etc in their relentless drive for lower prices.

Each country has its own situation.  What we have in Australia is like a sort of 19th century robber baron model of grocery retail.  Few other OECD countries have this.

Our market model means we are being screwed by Woolies and Coles.  I am not a campaigner for IGA or Aldi per se but I think people should boycott the duopoly and shop at the limited alternatives.

All that aside, from your comments it sounds as though you would be an anti-corporate, anti-global socialist.  If we had a socialist model o f grocery shopping it would be like East Germany in 1984.  Spare me that.

All we need is a market that operates within an effective framework.  That framework must ensure fierce competition and low prices.

I'd actually like to see Wal-Mart come in here.  Something huge like that needs to happen to correct this market.  Perhaps Wal-Mart coming in and sending the weakened Coles bankrupt would be right up my street.

My solutions are probably not like yours, Alga but then I'm not a socialist.

Socialist or capitalist, I really resent being screwed around.  Coles and Woolies are doing that to us and no one is trying to stop them.

Avoid them all if possible

As of this past month we now avoid them all for fresh meat and veggies and we pay little or no more, and in the case of veggies a lot less. And the difference in the quality is amazing.

In most major cities, such as in the big malls you can find alternative shops for meat and veggies.

So once you have got your woolies or coles trolley and bought the loo paper and all that sort of stuff from them, drop by the veggie shop and butcher for the rest.

I really love using their trolleys that way.

I am probably more concerned that the farmers at the end of the line are the ones that are getting ripped off most. To know you get $1.40 a kilo for a beast, out of which has to come all the costs of producing that kilo of the beast, and you see them charging $12 or more for one steak really gets under my skin.

There are all sorts of things one can do. Complain all the time to the supervisor about the prices while waiting in that queue would be a good place to start. And say next time I am going to Coles or IGA or over yonder for the meat and veggies, whatever. We should not be so timid. That is what allows them to get away with it.  Start sowing the seeds of discontent at the store level. More likely than not they will pass it up the line. And from little seeds..... 

IGA, Woolies, same wholesalers.

In Tasmania, all independent food stores including IGA, get their supplies through Woolworth and Coles, who own the wholesale outlets IGA and others are contracted to. I believe its much the same in Aus, but happy to be corrected.

So in reality, it's just another con job of smoke and mirrors. There will be no change from whoever gets into government as all parties line up for their bribes from virtually the same corporations. Whilst we allow unrestrained monopolisation by the corporate giants, the only outcome is right wing corporate dictatorship. Family first, just another ploy by the religiously controlled right wing Lib/Lab coalition, to make it look like there is choice. That's why they are all willing to give such huge amounts to wealthy religious schools, to the detriment of the public system.

There is no viable choice in our politics, they are all the same. With a lateral change of political power and direction, no hope is foreseeable.

Shop at IGA

I have long resented the duopoly.  Go to IGA.  If you go to one of their bigger stores you will find everything you need. Coles and Woolies are stealing from us.  Don't go to them.  Go to IGA. The only way these companies will be taught is to go elsewhere. IGA has everything, they are civilised and they are less of a rip off.

Consumers should boycott Coles and Woolies until they stop acting like predators.  What they are doing should be illegal.  In many comparable jurisdictions overseas it is illegal. It would be in the United States and Canada.

IGAnomics

Hi David, welcome back to WD. Interesting choice of words, "duopoly". As you point out in your other post today, it seems to be the Australian way. That being, adversarial, but not enough to blight the profits or the spoils of power.

Personally, I think that despite the civilised veneer, Australians are not very introspective, sophisticated or engaged. About one minute of political debate, football debate or religious debate is about the length of our listening tolerance.

After that it is name calling from top to bottom. Question Time is the perfect example of what we honour. Yobbo see, yobbo do. Its demeaning, puerile and a national disgrace and we love it. Why else would an ignorant fish and chip shop owner get a serious national hearing unless she were preaching to the compliant masses.


On the topic of getting ripped off, I may seriously think about eating only six months of the year. I earn reasonable money but we have become frugal shoppers to cope with the horrendous rise in prices. For those who think that Wesfarmers, those nice Bunnings people, are going to make a difference, get a grip. The point of buying into a virtual monopoly is to use the power you gain to maximise profits.

Currently about 15c of every dollar spent in retail purchases in Australia goes to Coles via the vast array of businesses that they control; Coles, Bi Lo, Kmart, Target, Liquorland, Officeworks, Vintage  Cellars, Coles Express, Harris Technology etc. Now combined with the Wesfarmers other business, they will have a pervasive hold on a significant part of our disposable income. In the US, this merge would probably fail under Anti-Trust provisions.  When the dust settles the real work of buggering us will begin.

Yes NZ only has one house

True Margo, New Zealand only has one house. Their system of government for most of their history was far more complex than ours.  They only had one house of parliament and only two levels of government.  They never had the states as we do nor any concept of a federation.  As you'd know, they could have become part of the Australian federation back when such topics were in vogue.

Their original model of government was quite simple which is understandable given that their country is the size of the UK or Japan rather than our own which is a continent.

You'd know about Queensland, Margo. We only had one house of parliament there also.

New Zealand had few checks and balances which meant their government could go to extremes like the "big idea" era of Piggy Muldoon or the extreme economic rationalism of Rogernomics.

I find New Zealand endlessly fascinating.  It is the same yet obviously so entirely different.

In the end they made a decision in recent years that their system of government did NOT have enough checks and balances so they brought in a German style system of mixed member proportional.

It has its merits in that the government is arguably more representative of the people but it goes against the Anglo Saxon notion of an adversarial system.

As you'd know I lived in Switzerland.  Their system was designed to force consensus.  This is quite alien to us as we are used to an adversarial system where one party is clearly in charge and the other is in opposition.

Reform of our constitution in the direction of Switzerland, Germany or New Zealand is highly unlikely.

The biggest thing we have is the Senate.  We have the most powerful uppper house in the world, outside the United States. If people want to restrict the power of the lawmakers, we have a very powerful model based on the US model (and in part the Swiss model)..... the Senate is the circuit breaker.

Australians have long known this and used their votes accordingly.

The situation we have right now is most unusual.  We don't need to change our system to ensure checks and balances. We have a fine federal system in my view.

If you think Howard and Co should be restrained then you should consider your vote in the Senate.  This is the Australian way.

I love our system.  We weigh up the powers between state and federal and then we weigh up how the federal power itself should be comprised.

It is a lovely system.

If you want to vote Liberal but have them restrained then vote otherwise in the Senate.  Same for the other way.  We have always done it that way.

I LOVE IT.

I wrote in this piece: "I

I wrote in this piece: "I know it's a hopeless cause, but I reckon The Greens and FF would do well to consider giving preferences to each other before the old parties in some States or Territories at the Senate election."

Yep, hopeless cause. My guess is that Canberra Greens were seeking a preference swap in the ACT Senate election. That would be in FF's interests, I'd say, because Fielding gets power if the balance of power is with the new parties. Getting The Greens' Kerrie Tucker up in the Senate would immediately deliver power to Fielding, because a swap of a Liberal Senator for a Green would mean the Government would lose the Senate numbers. Never happen though, I guess. Today's press release from Senator Fielding:

BOB BROWN’S HYPOCRISY ON PREFERENCES

Bob Brown’s hypocrisy on preferences is breathtaking.

For months he has been demanding Labour swap preferences with the Greens and warning Labor not to do a preference deal with FAMILY FIRST.

Bob Brown has warned Labor that, if it swaps preferences with FAMILY FIRST, the Greens will not preference them.

In fact, he has warned of “open revolt” among Labor members if the party gives preferences to FAMILY FIRST.

Why then do the Greens themselves want to enter into a secret preference deal with FAMILY FIRST?

“A staffer from Bob Brown’s office has phoned my Canberra office twice in the last few weeks saying the Greens want to initiate talks about a preference deal with FAMILY FIRST,” Senator Fielding said.

“The hypocrisy is breathtaking.  While the Greens have publicly been trying to bully Labour not to deal with FAMILY FIRST, behind the scenes they are secretly trying to negotiate a preference deal for themselves with FAMILY FIRST.”

FAMILY FIRST has not returned the Greens' calls because FAMILY FIRST has no plans to do any deals with them.

The Greens are out of touch with Australian families and small businesses and are pushing a dangerous social agenda and crazy economic ideas.  They want to give free heroin to addicts, open shooting galleries across the country and abolish criminal sanctions for drug users.  They also want to shut down the forestry and coal industries which will destroy thousands of workers, families and local communities across Australia.   

A disappointment

The thing I hate most of all about  politicians is their cowardice.

The  Fielding stuff is the same primitivist response as to environment and social progressivism as comes from the ALP right and  Howardist  Hansonites. Always reinforcing a bogus paradigm based on demonstrable lies,  with neatly constructed straw men, through stroking of  fear and ignorance, exponentially increasing the latter in the community at the same time. 

Straight out ,like  the witch burnings of the middle ages ( there, said it again!!). Anyone who has ever smoked cannabis will turn into a frog tomorrow (This has proven to be a very long 1969, unless it's groundhog day).

Global warming is a plot by lunatic greens. Homosexuals are under the ban of God.  All  Muslims have  Demonic Impulses. Aborigines tend not to wash their hands after going to the bathroom. Decent  women  do NOT have orgasms!... Children who play with their genitals will have their fingers drop off  ( before they can pick their noses?). Darwin was a Godless trickster. The earth is flat. Bosses never treat workers unfairly ( if a boss does it, how can it be "unfair"?).

 People who beleive that think tanks, shockjocks, newspapers and spindoctors try to trick "us" and deliberately tell lies about the world are Socialist liars.

And so on.

On the stuff about  Coles  I will concur wholeheartedly for once  with  David.

 IGA Foodland is a much better experience and you actually get a sporting chance with the specials. At the two  Foodland (Adelaide) supermarkets  the writer uses, if the queues lengthen they'll immediately call up a couple of extra check  out operators, not impose a massive wait on customers as  Coles and Woolies will arrogantly do. The checkout people where I go will say hullo and not look like zombies when they offer the greeting.

What a difference!

 

FIST OF FURY

Just a small, and not simply pedantic point ...

One notices that Fielding First runs the same misspelling "Labour" for the ALP as many of those most cruelly described as the madder and nastier extreme Right devotees of Kirribilli House. Some of them also have a relentless blogarithmic habit. Even a WD habit. Check the archive. They're everywhere. Going for the Old French, slavering for it with textbook fervour. What would we do without these fanatics?

The terrible latte sipping, chardoonnay swigging multi-ethnic elites of the ALP use the Latin spelling popular with the self-taught lower orders of the 19th century, many of them (shuddder!) Catholic - ROMAN CATHOLIC!. RC shearers and miners and timber workers and miners and wharfies &c, trying to get into our halls of power, simply because they've read improving books! Usually led by rootless cosmopolitan clergy and McKillop nuns - that sort of thing.

Why, oh why must Fielding First bow to the intellectual fakery of these fanatical Fenian warlords who never cease trying to smash their way into parliament? O for a thousand noble knights like Sir Piers Akkaman to pierce their heathen breastplates and bring truth and light and justice and the new Arthurian way to a new Camelot on the shores of Sydney Harbour, austerely but justly governed by the noblest and most furious debater ever spurted out of Canterbury Boys High.

And then only a powerful Liberal-National Senate, led by the crystalline minds of Family Fist politicians and their church can crush this lower class, often aboriginal, Greenie, Muslim or ethnic evil. And use the Old French spelling.

Frère Jihad Jacques OAM née de Woodforde, SJ, of Clairvaux

Fielding's Politics Next To Godliness

Margo, political parties will make a pragmatic decision to advance their own agenda. On the surface, FF would appear likely to do so but they will not.

The reason for this is actually quite simple. FF will always pray for guidance before making a decision. The efficacy of this action is not up for dispute within their own power structures. For those who have not experienced the moral certainty that comes from belonging to a church, like the one that underpins FF, there is little hope of understanding the self-righteousness of the FF cause.

Like the Moral Majority in the US with their rapture over the initial election of Bush, a self-professing Christian leader is irresistible.

Those within FF 'know', through faith, that Howard is the best choice to lead this nation and that Costello and Abbott run a close second, though perhaps Tony's Catholicism would not be always that appealing. The profession of belief always trumps any actions of the believer. It is bizarre that an inveterate liar and weasel-worded politician can hold people in thrall with such simple posturing.

Unfortunately, Bob Brown, a homosexual, will forever remain persona non grata to FF. I found their press release disturbing in its sentiments and in its language. This is vitriol straight out the right-wing ideological handbook, particularly the last paragraph. You can hear this from Neil Mitchell, Piers Akerman, Andrew Bolt and the Jones boy on any day of the week. The FF are true believers in the conservative agenda because in their view, it is God's agenda for this country.

Margo: FF is against WorkChoices, though. But I agree, it will never happen. We need proportional representation, I reckon. You get 5%of the vote, say, and you get 5% of the members in the Senate. Like the New Zealand.system, although I think they only have one House of Parliament.

Deserting the aisles

Margo: I see in an item in today's Herald that shoppers are more and more deserting the big supermarkets for small retailers for their fresh veggies, and butchers and bakeries are similarly benefitting. So it is not just me that is sick of the mouldy oranges in the middle of the pack. We have left Woolies permanently now in terms of buying veggies when in ACT.

I had a woman come up to me when I was last buying avocados from Woolies who whispered, they are only a third the price in the shop across the road. And she was right. And they were fresh.

So it is not all going the big marts' way it seems.

Cheers.

Margo: Yes, I saw a TV segment on that, showing independent grocers IGA were cheaper than Coles and Woolies.  And they're nicer to shop in too, I find.

FF on workers

Here's an example of the common ground I talked about re Family First, a press release today:

FAMILY FIRST today succeeded in amending Work Choices and doubling the protection period for workers' redundancy pay to two years. The whole Senate supported FAMILY FIRST's action.

But FAMILY FIRST is disappointed the Government did not support our other amendment to ensure workers do not lose their redundancy benefits when signing a new contract with the same employer. All the other parties supported FAMILY FIRST.

Redundancy pay is a vital safety net to families if workers lose their jobs and provides much-needed security and peace of mind.

Currently, workers could lose their entitlements if the employer removes redundancy from the new contract, because redundancy benefits are no longer guaranteed. FAMILY FIRST fears many workers might sign a new contract not realising they are signing away their entitlements, which would leave them with nothing if they were retrenched. That is a huge concern.

FAMILY FIRST's successful amendment to protect redundancy pay for two years will be a bigger deterrent to employers trying to escape their obligations. FAMILY FIRST wanted a five-year protection period but the Government would not agree.

FAMILY FIRST's action follows the Tristar fiasco where workers allege they are being kept on the payroll with nothing to do as Tristar tries to slash its redundancy bill from $4.5 to $1 million.

The Individual Choice

Jenny Hume

So today I have had enough. No more Woollies fresh for me. And I never use those petrol vouchers. The servo we use when down south may be a bit dearer but they will do all sorts of things for you when you have a need. I think we need to try and support these small businesses where we can and in any case, the stuff you buy there is often much better.

Margo: Go Jenny! 

Amazingly simple. There is no need to change laws or anything else. The power is with you (reader), it has always been with you. If you do not wish to exercise it, no need to blame others. We as individuals get the society we ourselves choose.

Personally I believe taxation is theft. Neither it, nor governments, should exist in this society. They are not needed, and never have been needed. If we are to pay tax (I accept that changing this may be too big a step at the moment), why is it, we cannot choose what direction (our) money goes in? Why is it that a person cannot make a direction that a percentage of his/her tax dollars go into health, schools, refugee's or whatever one wishes?

I believe once one knows the answer to this question, one realises why the so called system of democratic government can never work. I also believe that it is at this time, one realises this system is ultimately doomed to failure.

1996 Olympic Bombing

Ernest: Other than the gruesome attacks on the Israeli athletes, I cannot remember any so-called terrorist attacks even during the Adolf Hitler Olympics in 1936.

At the Atlanta Olympics (just four years before Sydney) there was a bombing which killed two and injured more than 100. See background on the bombing here at Wikipedia. The threat of terrorism at the Olympics was (and remains) real.

Margo: Hi Dylan. Thanks for dropping in again!

Squeezing small business

Margo: It is not just the small businessman in the shopping centre that is being squeezed. Witness the below production prices paid to dairy farmers for their milk, and no doubt to other primary producers as well. Certainly the price of meat in Woollies is a disgrace given the price paid to farmers for cattle.

And as for being the fresh food people – well, we have just shifted to a small business fruiterer to get decent product. I am sick of the bag of oranges with mouldy ones in the middle from Woollies, and the avocados that are black in the middle when you cut them. And the strawberries that have mouldy ones on the bottom. Of course you only find this when you get home.

So today I have had enough. No more Woollies fresh for me. And I never use those petrol vouchers. The servo we use when down south may be a bit dearer but they will do all sorts of things for you when you have a need. I think we need to try and support these small businesses where we can and in any case, the stuff you buy there is often much better.

Margo: Go Jenny! 

Howard's Senate view

For Howard's wish to abolish the Senate's veto power, see JW Howard, late bloomer Senate revolutionary. That was in 2003. He doesn't worry about that any more, naturally.

The media contradictions are the obfuscations

Confuse the public and they will remove their confusion by maintaining the status quo. Confuse the public and they won't know what side is up – apathy reigns supreme.

 
History shows that when such a situation develops – like 18th century America – law and order are lost – but only temporarily. 

When a nation has a government appointed and anointed by the powers that be – that is unaccountable and unrestrained by the laws they themselves create – mayhem must result.


I believe that the build up of Howard's so-called Reservists and the right for the Army to shoot to kill is preparing – not for the action of so-called terrorists – but for demonstrations by genuine and concerned Australians.

 
We have to realise that the corporations' plans for Howard's corporation-controlled future of this land is one of a wasteland, devoid of natural resources and a massive nuclear waste dump – compliments of the Howard New Order. Bush’s “man of steel” – fair dinkum.

 
The current Howardist laws against freedom and criticism are minute compared with the plans for his future Australian White Coolie work force.

 
Can any of our mature and reasonable people remember the times when our country was respected throughout the entire world? Do any of our mature and reasonable people understand the consequences of more New Order changes to the laws of this once proud democracy?

 
Allow me to suggest that the corporations only need one more term of control to remove any possible unpunished objection to what they intend to do.

 
The increase in the numbers and power of the Federal Police – the legal right to shoot for the Military in an emergency situation – are not intended to prevent American style terrorists from demonstrating against the removal of basic human rights.

 
They are clearly as obvious as the Reserve military being encouraged by bait to serve the US military corporate in their occupation for profit in far-off lands.

 
A vote for Howard's New Order is a vote for conscription and the removal of Australia as an independent entity.

 
Let's hope that people like Mike Kelly for Eden-Monaro can make a difference. 

NE OUBLIE.

Confused

Ernest William, you are getting more and more confused as the weeks go by.

"A vote for Howard's New Order is a vote for conscription and the removal of Australia as an independent entity". Where do you get these ideas from?.

What about this little gem?

"I believe that the build up of Howard's so-called Reservists and the right for the Army to shoot to kill is preparing – not for the action of so-called terrorists – but for demonstrations by genuine and concerned Australians".

 Are you seriously suggesting that Howard would tell the Army to shoot at demonstrators?

Please write to your local paper with this sort of rubbish in the lead up to the election, I am sure Mike Kelly will thank you for destroying any chance he may have of being elected.

Just in case you were fair dinkum Alan.

The ABC 7.30 Report 10/8/2000.

"New laws to give soldiers controversial powers in domestic emergencies."

KERRY O'BRIEN:  "As authorities start stepping up security measures for the Sydney Olympics -- now only 36 days away -- Australia's defence forces are set to receive new powers that could put them on a collision course with the host city's police".

"The Federal Government is trying to introduce controversial new laws that will allow soldiers a range of seeping powers, including the discretion to shoot civilians, if the military is called out to assist the police in an emergency."

"The 7:30 Report has learned that senior defence officials urged that the new laws be in place by October last year."

"But the law is now being pushed through the parliament in a last-minute scramble before the Olympics".

Matt Brown Reports:  [In part].

MB:  "By the time of the Olympics, these soldiers will have a clear legal power to shoot civilians on Australian soil.

John Moore, Defence Minister:  "The Bill was put in place with the agreement of the Opposition.  It's done so to place Australian ADF members in a position where they can't be legally challenged if they are carrying out their legal duties".

MB:  "But the NSW Government is worried that the new Federal laws could override the plan because it would mean the Federal Government could make a unilateral decision to send in the troops".

So, Alan, this law was to protect tens of thousands of athletes, visitors, Australians, and infrastructure, and it proved to be unnecessary. Was it removed by Howard after he had the Senate in his hands? Did Labor, as usual, demand a "sunset clause"?

If not, do you as a Howard supporter even wonder that his APEC meeting in Sydney, in an election year, would expect less or more protection for the special dignitaries’ group of who he has strived, unsuccessfully, to become a paid up member?

Alan, you will see by this article that Howard and the then leader of the Labor Party agreed to this extreme measure for the safety of thousands of people from all walks of life, in a "one off" Olympics.

Other than the gruesome attacks on the Israeli athletes, I cannot remember any so-called terrorist attacks even during the Adolf Hitler Olympics in 1936.

Would the Howard "New Order" Alan, maintain or reinforce these laws with his total power in the Parliament? Regardless as to the danger to the Australian Defence Force as they are to the Australian people?

And to protect a relatively small group of Pacific Leaders in what he would call a gab fest?

One could surmise that the whole deal in an election year is a typical Howardism.

However, since the burden of safety and success of this gab fest appears to be on the Labor government of NSW, I hope that the thought of Howard calling in the ADF is beyond contemplation.

So what do you think, Alan?

Cheers

Just in case

Ernest William, I am quite comfortable in the knowledge that the ADF have these powers, especially when we are hosting APEC. I am also fully confident that the ADF will act responsibly, as will the NSW Police. 

Petrol problems about peak oil

 Petrol problems about peak oil, The real reason petrol prices are high is because crude oil is $74 a barrel compared to $35 a barrel in 2004. The price of crude is high because world demand is beginning to outstrip supply. World discovery of oil peaked in 1964 and has been declining ever since. The most likely production scenario is for an annual decline in world production of 2 to 3 per cent, so that world oil production will fall to about 1990 levels by 2020. In Australia, oil production peaked in 2001.

Hi Margo, Coles and Woolworths may dominate the domestic petrol market but the real reason the prices are high is Peak Oil. I think the price of petrol is set to at least double of the next 5 years no matter who controls the market. It may even go higher if a carbon tax is applied. I think your right the smaller political parties have some great ideas that are ignored by the major parties. I would love to see the day where the smaller parties joined forces and really gave the two majors a hurry up.

The future of Coles is in doubt and with customer satisfaction like this woolworths may follow soon,

According to figures out today we are paying less for our groceries. All depends on whether or not you're on the average wage I guess.

Hope you all have a good day. John

The core problem John is the Corporations.

G'day John.

We should all agree that the Howard government's answer to almost every problem is to "form a committee" to consider the issue.  Fair dinkum.

I remember a very decent man during my time as a Union Representative who would almost always reply to a question: "I will bring that to the next meeting". 

Like Howard's "New Order" the answer invariably never came unless - it became an issue.

I remember being told by a Solicitor that he never pays his bills until he gets a "bluey".

I know that there are people on welfare who perhaps, should not be.

But, as the Malcolm Fraser's election guide demanded - they are all "bludgers".  And it turned out that the 2% of "bludgers" was really only 2% of the entire population.

It is also stupid to consider the millionaire owner of Tristar who used and abused the so-called WorkChoices legislation is the same as every other employer..

And it is just as stupid to claim that every Union Representative is as "unacceptable" as those who, for their own freedom of speech, offend the "powers that be".

It is just plain stupidity to blame every Muslim for the real or suspected crimes of some Muslims - to attack religions for believing in their own religion- to criticise people whose hormones may not be as society has been "brain washed" to accept.

There is a "terrorist"  wave of Military/Corporate power emanating from the U.S. that all human behaviour on Earth shall be as demanded by the "powers that be".

Our responsibility, as a declining democracy, is to "change for the better" and prove to ourselves, and the world in which we must regain the trust that we have lost.

We are NOT demanding of our Pacific region neighbours anything that we would not demand of ourselves.

There is a desperate need for a change in our Nation for an act of independence - a government which reflects true Australian values - a government that makes decisions for our people

Please remember that the Howard "New Order" IS a Corporation -  and is part of the Corporations' powers that be - and the only way to at least relieve this situation is to elect a government of the Australian people, for the Australian people and by the Australian people.

Australia must overcome the foreign Corporations - the Corporation's "New Order" and the Corporations' media.

We only get one chance in every three years - let's try to regain that which we have lost, or perhaps the autocratic power of the "New Order" will legislate for indefinite control.

NE OUBLIE.

The problem

 Ernest William, I am afraid it is only in your own mind that we are not an independant nation. You can say anything you want without being thrown in gaol (and you do), you are free to travel wherever you want and do whatever you want. You can even break into Pine Gap and all you will get is a slap on the wrist.

You forget that it took us years to break the hold the unions had on the workers. You can only do that sort of thing in a democracy. You will be free to vote at the next election without having a gun stuck in your back. You are free to pray to whatever god you like. You are free to take whatever job you want. You are free to read whatever newspaper you want. You are free from the autocratic powers of union bosses.

Freedom?

I have the gun of the War On Terror at my back.

I may pray to whichever God I like, but I will be persecuted if I chose the Breeder Of Al Qaida (hmm must copright that before Downer does)

I am free to take whichever job I want, unless I'm one of those paper-shuffled out of the "unemployed"  statistics (employment company training programs, work for the dole, out of the figures) and still not able to get a job.

I am free to read any newspaper I want, but am not free to read what the newspapers do not publish. 

I am not free from WorkChoices. 

I am not free from being financially farmed as profit margin fodder. 

You call this Freedom, Alan Curran.  I call it the Battle Of Australia. 

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